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PostSubject: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:19 pm

A transitional fossil, or missing link, is a fossil one kind of animal in the process of evolving into another. If you're an creationist, you can follow this topic or join in the discussion.

Oh BTW, the first person who can find me a missing link that can't be dissproven can have an unlimited supply of Invincibility Candies and Maxim Tomatoes, and a pet Dyna Blade (not currently available in stores!)

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:50 pm

I'm not even going to try. It's impossible.

Unless you count this:


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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:01 am

Funny. Really funny.

Sorry, but I'm actually serious for a change. I haven't had a good discussion in a long time. I'm starving!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:07 am

I don't understand what you are trying to say...?

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:42 am

I want to have a good discussion about things actually worth talking about; topics like God, Where we came from, Politics, Truth, etc.
So, I picked a topic that seemed very controversial: Fossils.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:29 am

Okay then.
I know nothing about fossils, except that they contain old stuff from a long time ago or something like that stuff =/
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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:31 am

Well, evolution has been blasted away from having any chance of being real.
Adaptation, however, is very real and happens all the thyme. Now, I'm puzzled about the Galapagos myself. Are the species there different because they adapted to that environment, or was it when the islands were separated from the mainland that the conditions became idealic for those species specifically? And were the remaining species on the mainland extinct because of a volcano erupting or some other natural cause? I read about adapting bacteria on some site and it said that scientists had slowly taken away all light sources from some type of algue and that it became capable of surviving without any light.

I love forum disscusions myself, and writing big paragraphs of questions, so how about we start a deadliest warrior topic over at Other Chat?

@Staypuft: Fosills are complicated, but in a nutshell, they're body parts of old animals that are hardened into rock, minerals, or other stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:34 pm

I was being funny, but kay :3

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:45 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:05 pm

cav10281 wrote:
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What?(No, this post doesn't only have one word.)

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:45 pm

I found the missing Link!


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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:47 pm

Brikmaethor wrote:
I found the missing Link!




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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:54 pm

But seriously now, I don't think that such a thing exists. The theory of evolution has so many flaws that it's not even funny. One of the big ones is that scientists have not found one "missing link" fossil. Come on. We've been digging up fossils for a hundred years now, and not one of these things has shown up. With the amount of transitions it would take to change a tyrannosaurus in to a chicken, or a whale in to a cow, there should be billions of these. Not one has so far deigned to make an appearance. That puts a considerable chink in the theory of evolution's proverbial armor. Consider that for a moment.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:25 pm

The only way it could exist is to make a hoax. A farmer once tried to fool the world by combining parts of two skeletons.
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Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?
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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:32 pm

Oh man! So many witty/substantial comments, I don't know which one to compliment first!

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:21 pm

lawl.

I find it kinda weird how they teach the theory of evolution in my school, a CATHOLIC school, and, well, it's kinda against the religion to believe in evolution =/ I guess it is because they use the same books as the other schools.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:37 am

Brikmaethor wrote:
But seriously now, I don't think that such a thing exists. The theory of evolution has so many flaws that it's not even funny. One of the big ones is that scientists have not found one "missing link" fossil. Come on. We've been digging up fossils for a hundred years now, and not one of these things has shown up. With the amount of transitions it would take to change a tyrannosaurus in to a chicken, or a whale in to a cow, there should be billions of these. Not one has so far deigned to make an appearance. That puts a considerable chink in the theory of evolution's proverbial armor. Consider that for a moment.

We have been searching for hundreds of years, but we haven't even searched 50% of the Earth!
We can't put down the theory of evolution just yet, the Missing Link may be at the bottom of the ocean for all we know.
After all, we have been told to be related to fish through evolution. We may not find the Missing Link for another hundred years, but that doesn't mean that the theory is unproven. Have we had any proof of any religion? No! I didn't think so.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:26 am

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Brikmaethor wrote:
But seriously now, I don't think that such a thing exists. The theory of evolution has so many flaws that it's not even funny. One of the big ones is that scientists have not found one "missing link" fossil. Come on. We've been digging up fossils for a hundred years now, and not one of these things has shown up. With the amount of transitions it would take to change a tyrannosaurus in to a chicken, or a whale in to a cow, there should be billions of these. Not one has so far deigned to make an appearance. That puts a considerable chink in the theory of evolution's proverbial armor. Consider that for a moment.

We have been searching for hundreds of years, but we haven't even searched 50% of the Earth!
We can't put down the theory of evolution just yet, the Missing Link may be at the bottom of the ocean for all we know.
After all, we have been told to be related to fish through evolution. We may not find the Missing Link for another hundred years, but that doesn't mean that the theory is unproven. Have we had any proof of any religion? No! I didn't think so.
While it is true that there is still much searching to be done, one problem remains. These "missing links" should be everywhere. Not just at the bottom of the ocean. A fish doesn't become a man in one single step. So really, we are not looking for just one "missing link", but thousands of them. Since there are so many of these supposedly lying around, why haven't we found any yet? They surely can't all be on the bottom of the ocean, because several of these fish to man transitional forms must have been land-dwelling creatures. We are, however, related to fish in one way: We were created by the same person. Namely, God.

As for proof, I would invite you to take a look at nature, to start. The beauty and complexity of creation alone make it extremely hard to believe that it all could of happened by random chance. The folowing is an excellent article that gives some great proofs of why Jesus is who He claimed to be. (I would use a spoiler tag, but they don't seem to work on here).

Evidence for Christianity
By Bob Dutko

"Christian apologetics, or a study of the evidence for Christianity is important for all believers who hope to defend the faith effectively and prove the reliability of the Bible. By comparing Jesus to other religions using facts, logic and history, you can show that all other religions crumble under intellectual scrutiny except Christianity: The Only True Religion. There are, of course, many evidences for Christianity, so let's look at one simple example by using a little logic and reasoning.

All religions claim they are the one true faith and certainly Christianity is no different in that it also claims to be the one true faith, so how can we know who is right? First, we have to understand and accept the fact that they can not ALL be right because they contradict each other. Some Eastern religions teach that you can become fully “enlightened” through a reincarnation process if you do enough good deeds. Islam teaches you must follow the teachings of the Qu'ran and the Hadiths and accept Mohammad as God's true prophet for the hope that Allah may grant you entrance into paradise. Jesus taught that he was God in the flesh, who came to Earth in human form to die for the sins of mankind, so that “whosoever would believe on Him would not perish, but have everlasting life”. So who's right?

If we are to approach this logically, we need to see that all religions began with a founder who had a philosophy and then convinced others to follow that philosophy. (Mohammad, Buddha, Krishna, etc.) The next logical step is to determine which of these religious leaders was speaking with the authority of Heaven, the authority of God, the real God, the God who created the Universe. So lets examine the evidence. Jesus is the only “religious leader” who actually claimed to be God on Earth, in the flesh. Of course, he was the Son of God while in human flesh, and yet also fully God and fully human. (While our finite minds are not yet capable of comprehending how the Son of God can also be fully God and fully human, we must acknowledge the fact that Jesus himself claimed this to be true, whether we can comprehend this mystery or not.) So we first need to determine whether or not Jesus really did, in fact, claim that he was God. Here's some evidence. In Isaiah 9:6 it is prophesied the Messiah that comes to Earth in the flesh will be called “Mighty God, everlasting Father” and in Isaiah 7:14 the coming Messiah is prophesied to be called Emmanuel, which means “God with us”. (It is important to remember that while Scripture is God's Word, it is also historical documentation and accounts of events written down by real people in history) Jesus came along hundreds of years later and declared that he was the Messiah prophesied about, that he was indeed “God with us”. He said in John 6:41 that he “came down from Heaven” and in verse 62 that he would ascend to “where he was before”. He said in John 8:23 that he is “from above”, in John 10:30 “I and the Father are one” and in John 8:58 “Before Abraham was born, I am”, using the same “I AM “ self reference God used with Moses at the burning bush.

Remember, in addition to Scripture, these are the actual historically recorded words of Jesus by John, an eyewitness who recorded them within the lifetimes of other eyewitnesses who were in a position to refute John's account if it wasn't historically accurate. While there certainly were people at that time who rejected the conclusions drawn by the disciples that Jesus was who he claimed to be, there are no writings from the time ever found in archeology or epigraphy from anyone who disagreed with what the disciples claimed Jesus did and said.

Also, remember, Jesus allowed himself to be worshiped as recorded in places such as John 9:38 and Matthew 14:33. In the Old Testament we see that God is a jealous God and declares that no one besides God is to be worshiped, so for Jesus to allow himself to be worshiped establishes that he did in fact consider himself to be God. He also declared that he was to only true religion in that he said many times that he is the only way to get to Heaven.

The next logical step is to determine whether Jesus was right or wrong about his claims. So let's examine this. Jesus backed up his claims by doing things no regular human being could do. It is historically recorded by eyewitnesses that Jesus changed the weather with his spoken word, walked on water, changed water into wine, instantly healed the blind, the deaf and paralyzed, created fish and bread to feed thousands, brought the dead back to life and rose from the dead himself, after which he appeared before 500 brethren over 40 days. Back then, only men were counted in crowd size estimates, so factoring in women and children, Jesus would have appeared to probably 1500 to 2000 people. Again, this is not just Scripture, but actual recorded historical accounts by eyewitnesses. Now, compare this to every other religious leader and the difference becomes clear. Every other founder of every other religion was just a regular human being with a philosophy who convinced others to follow that philosophy. They possessed no power to defy the Laws of Physics. Anyone can invent a religion, but not anyone can claim to be God and then back it up with the power to control sickness, disease, the weather, the Laws of Physics and even death itself.

When Mohammad, Buddha, Confucius, Krishna or any of these other people were in a storm, they couldn't change the weather, they merely got wet. When they came across blind, deaf or paralyzed people, those people stayed blind, deaf and paralyzed. If they attended a wedding where the wine ran out, water would have to do. If they had only 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish to feed 5000, 4990 would have to go hungry. When they came across dead people, those people stayed dead and when they died themselves, they stayed dead.

Remember, if any of these other religions are true, then Jesus, with all of his proofs, would have to be wrong and one of these regular human religious leaders would have to be right. That's something I can not logically or intellectually accept."

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:08 am

I never once said that The Bible was wrong.
It's possible that The Bible and evolution could co-exist together.
God could have created evolution. On the sixth day, what if Adam and Eve themselves, weren't human. I know the Bible claims that they were human, but there is no definite proof of that fact. They could have slowly evolved, like all the previous animals created in the previous days.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:51 am

But evolution accepts the idea that there was death and suffering to make life.

The Bible claims that when god was still making the world, almost everyday he said that "it was very good." (Gen. 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25, 31) There was no death and suffering before mankind rebelled against God Word. (Adam was representative of all of his desendents and mankind as a whole)

If evolution and the Bible were both true, then that would mean that there was death and suffering before the curse. The Bible and evolution are contradictory.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:44 am

There's a book we should all read. It's called "Three Views on Creation and Evolution".

I'm going to read it as soon as, I get around to it.

This is kind-of getting off-topic. The answer to the question is no.

Split.

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PostSubject: Re: Can somebody find me a transitional fossil that can't be debunked?   Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:21 pm

Thanks. It's amazing what google can yield.

Just wondering, why was this topic split? We weren't getting off-topic. We were simply following the natural flow of the discussion.

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